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Thursday Thirteen, #56
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Thirteen Things Mon-Mon Doesn’t Like About Polyamory (aka Poly Con List) 1. You become a sexual deviant in the eyes of your family, friends, and society. Monogamous people treat you differently, even if they say they understand. I don’t even think its necessarily meant to happen, and yet, it does. 2. Your friends suddenly think you want to sleep with them. 3. Your friends get offended if you explain you aren’t attracted to them “in that way” and don’t want to sleep with them. 4. You have to unlearn a lot of societal conditioning – while this can be a good thing, it’s not exactly easy. Especially when you are in crisis and need support and all you have to turn to are friends who share that societal conditioning. It would be so much easier to just give into the conditioning. 5. Everyone thinks you will sleep with anyone – as if suddenly you don’t have any standards or morals. Being non-monogamous is not the same thing as being immoral. Not that I believe sleeping with a lot of people is immoral – I’m more focusing on the societal conception of sleeping with more than one person and how they tie that into their view of non-monogamous people. Besides, many poly people I know are even more picky than some of my single, serial monogamist friends. 6. People don’t get you because you aren’t practicing a “normal” love style. There isn’t much understanding in the world for poly people and sometimes that is downright tiring. 7. Society has an insane aversion to jealousy – which is quite prevalent in the world in general and in polyamorous relationships as well. If you try to explain why you’re jealous to a non-poly person, their attitude is akin to “well, what did you expect?.” Jealousy is just an emotion; just because you’re poly doesn’t mean you suddenly lose all emotion. It just means you are willing to accept it will happen and willing to work to control jealousy instead of letting jealousy control your life. 8. Polyamory takes brutal self honesty – BRUTAL. You can’t hide from yourself and be successful in poly. Lying to yourself in poly will destroy your relationships – even long term marriages fail because people lied to themselves in poly. You will give into societal programming and probably believe poly is evil instead of recognizing there isn’t any evil, you just weren’t honest with yourself. 9. You will meet a lot of people who “think” they can be poly but in practice have a hard time “being” poly. And this can cause a lot of pain. A lot. 10. The dating pool shrinks because few people “get” polyamory. They think you can’t commit. They think you are a player. They think they can’t handle jealousy and want you all to themselves – to the possible detriment of any other existing relationships. 11. New Relationship Energy (NRE) while fun… can lead you down some crazy paths because it blinds you to possible problems with new folks and can negatively affect your existing poly relationships (but that is for another post, I think!). 12. The other alternative lifestyles out there don’t support polyamorous folks very well either. 13. You obtain a LOT of phone numbers in your travels and dating and it’s hard to manage them. (lol) |
Fight the Good Fight
July 28, 2009In my last blog about polyamory, I spoke about how I was going to spend less time worrying if I was poly, worrying if my relationship fit the definition of poly and spend more time living and enjoying my life – which I am doing. But I still believe in the concept of polyamory. I spend a considerable amount of my online time supporting the online polyamorous community. I attend the polyamory functions that occur here in Denver, and I also still actively speak about poly to anyone who will listen really.
I also started spending more time in the swinging community – not as you would think (wink). But actually attending local meet and greets to get to know the people in “the lifestyle” as they like to call it. There are quite a few swinging groups in Colorado and most are active with parties at local clubs, bars, hotels and even at people’s homes. In particular, there is a local group where the women in “the lifestyle” get together monthly for a wine party – and their men attend a local men’s “support group” at the same time. The central theme to these parties isn’t to have sex, it’s to meet like minded folk who view sexuality and relationships differently than mainstream society.
What strikes me about these two groups is not just the similarity in their views on sex and relationship and how different it is from the “straight world,” but also how much they truly do not support each other in the alternative lifestyles they’ve chosen to live. When I’m in my polyamorists world, I spend a lot of time listening to the ways how poly is NOT like swinging. Some polyamorists will go, it seems to me, to any extent to proclaim how poly isn’t like swinging. They will even go so far as to talk about how many ways polyamory is so much better than swinging.
Then, I spend some time in the swinging world and listen to the other side disclaim polyamorists. While I’ve just gotten into talking to swingers about polyamory, most of what I hear is that dreaded “jealousy” word and how much folks who swing aren’t really into long term sharing. I’ve yet to hear anyone in the swinging world claim that their way is better than the poly way (the reserve that disdain for the straight world, sharing that view with the polyamorists). However, the sentiments surrounding sharing are a close second to that vein of thought in my book.
I guess it surprises me that either alternative lifestyle wouldn’t support the other given the fact that they are both alternative lifestyles. Both groups of folk seem to be seeking social and cultural acceptance from a society that holds marriage and monogamy as more important that individual wants and needs. It would seem to me that a united front would be a better way towards that goal than to hold each other with so little respect.
I shouldn’t be surprised though. I saw this in my life when I came out as bisexual back in the late 90′s. I experienced this from lesbian women who felt I was either pretending I still liked men because I couldn’t face wanting only women or who felt I was playing with lesbian’s minds because – in their eyes – I was either gay or straight. But I couldn’t be both. I saw this from gay men, whom I love and adore, who believe all men were gay and just pretending at being straight because of delusions or an inability to face who they were.
I don’t pretend to understand the human psyche and the need to prove one group better or more right than the other. It isn’t just a straight trait though. I feel and my experiences prove that this need is prevalent in all groups, in everyone – heck even in me at times (though my trait is a tendency to want to be right over anyone, which leads me to argue all sides of any argument – even to switch arguments in mid-stride if I feel I’m winning someone over to my side, go figure). I guess its ingrained in us to be the best, at any cost.
It’s sad though, that neither group can see that everyone loses in this situation.
I’ve spent a lot of time arguing (imagine that) with folks in the polyamory world about this “we’re better than swingers” mentality. I’ve talked about how, to me, polyamory and swinging have a lot in common – not necessarily in how they behave in relationships or how they love in relationships, or how they have sex in relationships – but in how we all are trying to live autonomously with integrity in ourselves and respect for our love partners. To me, that’s the central theme in both lifestyles. The path they each take to get there is different and yet their destination is eerily similar. I talk a good talk, but I rarely get anyone to listen. It’s too important to some folk that they not be viewed as polyamorists (or not be viewed as swingers) than to take a step back and honor the similarities instead of focusing on (and over-magnifying) the differences. Perhaps if we did so, we’d find a common ground to meet on and demonstrate how groups overcome silly, petty arguments.
Still I suppose I’ll keep trying. Just like I do on this blog with the straight world – I try to demonstrate that non-monogamists are not sex-crazed folks who refuse to grow up and take responsibility or refuse to form commitments. I try to show that, while polyamory is hard, it is possible and it is a viable alternative to the traditional views on relationships. Some would argue that traditional relationships don’t work any better than the alternative lifestyles; some might even say they fair worse. But that argument is not one I’m taking up here, and it’s not one I necessarily support.
Sometimes having the ability to see all sides and argue all sides isn’t all its cracked up to be. Sometimes it’s tiring. But I will keep fighting the good fight, even if it sometimes seems I do it only for the fact that I enjoy the debate.
Today’s Happy, #8 – Time For Ecstasy
December 21, 2008Let’s celebrate the third annual Global Orgasm Day!
WHO? All Men and Women, you and everyone you know.
WHERE? Everywhere in the world, but especially in countries with weapons of mass destruction and places where violence is used in place of mediation.
WHEN? December 21st,
at 12:04 Universal Time (GMT)
WHY? To effect positive change in the energy field of the Earth through input of the largest possible instantaneous surge of human biological, mental and spiritual energy.
Someone Else To Catch This Drift
September 16, 2008
OMG… Megan Fox is HOT! And we share a similar outlook; Megan quoted in article saying, “”I just think that all humans are born with the ability to be attracted to both sexes.”
Read the full story:Megan Fox
I’m Just A Travleing Keekah
August 23, 2008I’ve been quite the little traveler this year. First, I started the year by traveling to St. Louis in January with my love, Jeffery. Some of you may recall that we went to St. Louis in January 2007 right in the middle of an ice storm. We didn’t have an ice storm this year but had a wonderful time visiting with old friends.
Then in April of this year, Jeff and I visited our dear friend, Sandi, whom we both met at Camp Gaea during Laid Back Labor Day 2007. Bonus: Sandi lives in Seattle! I’d never been but I loved every minute of it. If ever I was to live anywhere else, it would be Seattle. It has mountains AND water. We were there for Sandy’s birthday weekend and celebrated with her and her dear ones the day we got in. We also made it to a very interesting swinger’s party that weekend… not a usual crowd for us but we still managed to have fun.
In May, we decided to continue the tradition from the previous year and visit a foreign country. We spent an entire week in Cancun, Mexico at an adult’s only resort. Jeff found a group of swingers online that met in Cancun yearly, so we joined and got a discount on our package. It was so incredibly awesome to be at a resort that catered to adults. No children for miles! And we could walk around naked if we wanted to! It was very cool. I will say this – never in my life have I seen so much silicone – in boobs, mouths, butts… it was weird! But we met some great folks and enjoyed ourselves immensely.
Our dear friend Cindy decided to take her boyfriend, Byron, to Vegas for his birthday at the end of June and invited us along (we were joined by other mutual friends – Andy and Julie and Don and Jamie). We spent a weekend at the Mirage hotel drinking, sunning, gambling and having a fabulous time. Vegas was more pricey than I remembered but still a good time.
In July, we went out to visit Jeff’s long time love, Dawn (or RA as we call her) and her husband, new baby, and son. They invited us down to their lake front home in Michigan City, Indiana. Seriously they were across the street from Lake Michigan! Something I’d never seen in my life up to that point. We spent the weekend celebrating Dawn’s birthday and schmoozing with old friends. We also spent a weekend in July camping in the mountains of Colorado at the aforementioned Naughty Camping. (That’s where we met Nichole – my hottie girlfriend!)
Just recently, we spent five days camping once again in the Colorado Mountains at a pagan festival called Dragonfest. Jeff hadn’t been to this particular event in ten years. We had so much fun even though it rained every day we were there. We met some really cool people who I hope we continue to be friends with – especially since they live in Colorado! It seems we always meet these great folks who don’t live anywhere near us. Luckily we got their numbers, and I’ve actually already met one of the couples, Toma and Genoa, for drinks. I just really connected with both of them – Genoa is a little hottie with gorgeous hair and a beautiful smile. And Toma. Well. Yes. Toma. At any rate, I’m making plans with one of the other wives/women we met to get us all together for drinks and dinner downtown.
And we aren’t done just yet! We have one last camping hurrah next week – our yearly trek to Camp Gaea for Laid Back Labor Day 2008! Nichole, Jeff and I are going as a thruple – our first trip. We all had so much fun shopping for new camping gear – we bought this amazing tent – I’m so excited I can barely contain all of it. But before we go camping, Nichole is taking me on a driving trip to Utah for the weekend. I’ve always wanted to see the other side of the mountains!
Really it’s only the end of August – so who’s to say we won’t be traveling more this year. It’s sure been a great year so far!
Which Way Do You Swing?
August 20, 2008In July, my honey and I attended a swinger’s event called Naughty Camping. A bunch of swingers getting together in the woods and having a good time.
Now I know I haven’t said much about being a swinger. I think that’s cause I don’t really consider myself a swinger… even though I engage in the frivolities that the “lifestyle” permits. I’ve had time to consider why exactly I feel that way and here’s what I’ve come up with – I tend to look at monogamy, swinging, and polyamory as a spectrum of sorts. On one end of the spectrum is monogamy – one love at a time, one sexual partner for one lifetime – and the other end is polyamory- many loves at a time, mulitple sexual partners for a lifetime. And swinging is somewhere in between – not necessarily the middle but on either side of it.
Now make no mistake – this is not an evolution that I speak of – it is a spectrum. As such, people often can and will fall along different points of the spectrum depending on their situations and feelings at the time. Some people always stay on either end of the spectrum – completely black and white “I am monogamous or polyamory and nothing else” attitude. And some folks move up and down the spectrum depending on their mood, their love situation, etc. And others, well they refuse to be on either end and prefer the middle.
That’s me – middle of the road. I am polyamorous because, not only do I believe that people can have multiple, successful love relationships, I actively participate in multiple relationships (hopefully someday successfully). But I also enjoy recreational (and responsible) sex on occasion. And – if I’m honest – I can even believe in monogamy as a viable relationship style. But I am not gung ho on either side, or at any point, of the spectrum – I don’t feel a need to pick up a flag necessarily and join a side in the debate that exists out there between monogamy, swinging, and polyamory. It just seems silly to me because love is love.
When we discuss lifestyle choices – I tend to identify more with polyamory because of all I’ve stated previously and feel that my swinging is incorporated into my open lifestyle. I know many poly friends who would (and have) argued to me that swinging is so completely removed from poly that it is no way associated to poly, but I can’t agree. Because for me, swinging and poly are a part of an open relationship style – and part of my open relationship style.
So for me personally – these little swinging extravaganzas I participate in are just an extension of my poly persona. Yes, I am a slut – but I am an Ethical Slut.
So anyway, it was at the Naughty Camping where I met this wonderful woman. Completely unexpectedly met my newest love interest. And crazy as it sounds, she liked me. AND she liked Jeff. Neither one of us expected to meet a potential love interest for one of us, let alone both of us, at a swingers event. And yet, because we were open enough to explore this situation, we opened ourselves up to this incredible lady.
Isn’t the world a crazy, wild ride?
Doing It Like Insects
January 12, 2008Actual conversation:
Him: That was great sex last night.
Me: I think my angle was wrong when you were fucking me from behind.
Him: I knew it had to be your fault cause I was just fucking. That was my job.
We both laugh.
Him: I was just trying to recreate New Year’s Eve… our legs were locked like insects. It was great.
Me: Oh well, I came twice last night… that’s all that matters.
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