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Jealous Much?

Posted by mmkeekah on August 31, 2009

I’ve been asked more than once how a poly relationship works; how do the people in the poly relationship not get jealous?  The answer is easy – we do get jealous.

Jealousy is a set of emotions that are based in our insecurities.  Our insecurities play a part in how jealousy manifests itself.  For example, we may see our partner talking and laughing with a member of the opposite sex and immediately feel anger.  Anger at our partner for engaging in the behavior or anger at the other person for crossing an imaginary line with someone obviously in a relationship.  We might think, what is my partner doing flirting so openly with that person? Or we may think of the other person, Have they no shame then to come on to a taken person?

Or maybe we feel fear creeping up on us as we watch our partner continue to talk with the other person and we might think, why does my partner need to talk to that person?  What am I not doing/providing that my partner needs to seek it out in another person? Fear may continue to taunts us with thoughts like, Are they going to leave me for this other person?

Sometimes jealousy can manifest in the form of envy – why does my partner feel free to speak to others when I never behave like that?

But what we don’t know is that jealousy usually isn’t about our partners but rather about our own deep-seated insecurities developed over the course of our lives.  We aren’t taught how to deal with jealousy but rather how  taught to avoid it. Some people simply refuse to acknowledge jealousy.  Others choose the blame game path “my partner makes me jealous.”  But dealing with it directly is not generally an option.

Dealing directly with jealousy requires one to confront their own demons.  Jealousy is generally not the real problem, but rather a symptom of the problem.  Most of the time the problem is internal.  Most of the time jealousy is allowed to manifest and grow because we are in denial.  Internally we are refusing to acknowledge a hurt or fear that is exacerbated by our partner’s actions.  Actions which we choose to interpret in a negative light even when we don’t have the full story.

In the example above I stated we saw our partner talking to someone of the opposite sex.  A simple conversation of which we are not in close enough range to hear what is being said.  And yet, at times our minds may take a leap to thinking our partner is crossing that boundary, or the unknown person is crossing that boundary, when really we haven’t seen anything that would prove or disprove that thought.  It’s our own internal insecurities showing us proof of what we fear about ourselves.

I can’t tell  you exactly what that fear is because it’s different for everybody and is generally tied into an old hurt from our past – our childhood, our teen years, our twenties… from any time in the past. But it’s there, waiting to remind you exactly why its true.  Even if we know intellectually we are not what our fears say, even if we know we deserve all that life has to offer,  sometimes our insecurities feed that little doubt we all have inside.

When it comes to loving relationships, society (and our parents, and our friends, etc) teaches us that we must protect what we have to avoid jealousy.  We must find our perfect mate, forsake all others, and til death do us part never let someone else have what we have found.  Society teaches us that jealousy is the problem, and to stop the problem, we must never put ourselves in the way of the problem.

We are taught to avoid jealousy instead of looking at jealousy as a tool.  Because most of the time, jealousy isn’t the problem but actually a symptom of the problem.  But we’ve crafted the ability to avoid addressing the symptom and therefore rarely see the problem until its too late.

Sometimes jealousy is showing you that there is a problem in your relationship.  If your partner isn’t being honest with you or is deliberately misleading you, then jealousy is founded.  It’s your internal warning system telling you something isn’t right and your head and heart aren’t listening to the warning signals.

Sometimes jealousy is showing you that you aren’t addressing an internal hurt.  If your partner isn’t doing anything wrong and yet you can’t shake unreasonable jealousy about actions you perceive as threatening, then you aren’t looking inside yourself – you aren’t being honest with yourself.  And this can be damaging to your partner and to your relationship with them.

Polyamorous people mostly believe that jealousy in and of itself isn’t harmful.  It is our own reactions to that jealousy that prove dangerous and hurtful.  Poly people strive to acknowledge the jealousy, identify it’s trigger(s), and communicate with their partner(s) in order to work past and through it.  Jealousy isn’t considered the enemy but is used to better understand oneself and one’s relationships.

Most poly people don’t ignore the clammer of jealousy when it comes calling but they do heed the credo “own your own junk.”  Owing your own junk means acknowledging that the only person responsible for making you feel jealous, or mad, or left out, or angry, or resentful or any other emotion you might feel is you.  When you own your own junk, you look internally first to determine the validity of jealousy and then examine the external factors involved.

Owning your own junk means learning a way to communicate the findings so that you can work with your partner to fix the problem.  When the source is external, you can then face the issue and determine best what needs to be addressed with your partner(s).  If the source is internal, then you can face whatever emotion is causing the jealousy.  Either way, owning your junk means you understand yourself better and also creates better communication in your relationships.

Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, “There is nothing to fear but fear itself.”  Wise words.  Owning your own junks means you don’t have to fear the unknown since you’ve faced it head on.    The rewards from bravely facing those fears are felt in all aspects of life.

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Thursday Thirteen, #56

Posted by mmkeekah on August 20, 2009

Thirteen Things

Mon-Mon

Doesn’t Like

About Polyamory

(aka Poly Con List)

1.  You become a sexual deviant in the eyes of your family, friends, and society.  Monogamous people treat you differently, even if they say they understand.  I don’t even think its necessarily meant to happen, and yet, it does.

2. Your friends suddenly think you want to sleep with them.

3. Your friends get offended if you explain you aren’t attracted to them “in that way” and don’t want to sleep with them.

4. You have to unlearn a lot of societal conditioning – while this can be a good thing, it’s not exactly easy.  Especially when you are in crisis and need support and all you have to turn to are friends who share that societal conditioning.  It would be so much easier to just give into the conditioning.

5. Everyone thinks you will sleep with anyone – as if suddenly you don’t have any standards or morals.  Being non-monogamous is not the same thing as being immoral.  Not that I believe sleeping with a lot of people is immoral – I’m more focusing on the societal conception of sleeping with more than one person and how they tie that into their view of non-monogamous people.  Besides, many poly people I know are even more picky than some of my single, serial monogamist friends.

6. People don’t get you because you aren’t practicing a “normal” love style.  There isn’t much understanding in the world for poly people and sometimes that is downright tiring.

7. Society has an insane aversion to jealousy – which is quite prevalent in the world in general and in polyamorous relationships as well.  If you try to explain why you’re jealous to a non-poly person, their attitude is akin to “well, what did you expect?.”  Jealousy is just an emotion; just because you’re poly doesn’t mean you suddenly lose all emotion.  It just means you are willing to accept it will happen and willing to work to control jealousy instead of letting jealousy control your life.

8. Polyamory takes brutal self honesty – BRUTAL.  You can’t hide from yourself and be successful in poly.  Lying to yourself in poly will destroy your relationships – even long term marriages fail because people lied to themselves in poly.  You will give into societal programming and probably believe poly is evil instead of recognizing there isn’t any evil, you just weren’t honest with yourself.

9. You will meet a lot of people who “think” they can be poly but in practice have a hard time “being” poly.  And this can cause a lot of pain.  A lot.

10. The dating pool shrinks because few people “get” polyamory.  They think you can’t commit.  They think you are a player.  They think they can’t handle jealousy and want you all to themselves – to the possible detriment of any other existing relationships.

11. New Relationship Energy (NRE) while fun… can lead you down some crazy paths because it blinds you to possible problems with new folks and can negatively affect your existing poly relationships (but that is for another post, I think!).

12. The other alternative lifestyles out there don’t support polyamorous folks very well either.

13. You obtain a LOT of phone numbers in your travels and dating and it’s hard to manage them.  (lol)

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Thursday Thirteen, #55

Posted by mmkeekah on August 13, 2009

Thirteen Things
MON-MON
Likes About Poly
(aka Poly Pro List)

1. The Personal Journey – I’ve learned so much about myself, how I love, and why I do the things I do because I walked down the poly path.  I truly believe most people go through life never questioning why they do the things they do and whether it makes sense.

2. The People - alternative lifestyles attract people who don’t necessarily play by the rules and who don’t just choose the road most traveled.  Poly also attracts very loving and very open individuals who look at love as a commodity best shared with everyone.  I like that concept. 

3. The Freedom – I need lots of freedom in relationships, and when I’m in the right relationship, I get that.  Freedom to me does not mean doing whatever the hell I want at any cost – but rather the freedom to express myself and be heard and understood by my partners. 

4. Flirting w/o Repercussions:  I’ve always believed I would find other people attractive even if I was madly in love.  Turns out I was right!  With poly, if I meet someone who I find attractive and can safely flirt without pissing off any partner they might have, my partner *supports* my ability to do just that… sometimes he *even* encourages it when he knows I like someone and I’m a little shy to act on it.

5. The Community – We have an active poly group here in Colorado, and I just love, LOVE the fact that we do.  One of the greatest poly organizations is Loving More (based in CO), and the woman who runs it is awesome, as is her partner that lives here in CO with her. 

6. The Online Community – I spend a lot of time online getting to know folks all over the world who are long time poly folk, new to poly, never heard of poly or trying to understand a poly partner.  I learn so much about interactions with people, how to express myself in a better manner, how to offer support and  advice without being judgmental – and I also get all of that in return.  I’m so very thankful for my online friends.

7. Acceptance – at least by people who understand how I feel about live and love.  For so long I felt alone because I could conceptulize how I wanted to love and be loved but the only models I had around me were lifetime monogamy (which seemed very hard to achieve), serial monogamy (which I found unappealing), and singlehood.  I thought I was destined to be a spinster or the crazy old lady with all those cats – until I found polyamory.

8. New Relationship Energy - the coin termed to explain the gushy, romantic, crazy, sexy attraction everyone experiences in the beginning of a new relationship (yes, even monogamists, gays, lesbians, etc).  We all love that first intense period of any new relationship. 

9. The T-Shirts – visit http://shop.cafepress.com/polyamory and search on polyamory.  They are wonderful!

10. The Poly Bloggers – I love a good blog, and I love a great poly blog.  I love it when folks get out there on the net to share their joys and trials all with the hope to help someone else who might be feeling as they do.  I just wish people read it to actually learn, instead of feeding some insatiable need to enjoy other’s misery.  Ah well, one step at a time…

11. Poly Blogging – I love being able to share my own poly stories and poly viewpoints with the group of folk who bother to read my blog.  It’s catharitic, fun, and I love to write so it fulfills that need in me.

12. The Get-Togethers – who loves a good party?  ME!  I DO!

13. My Poly Partner – Even though he was poly before I met him, and even though I’ve learned so much from him about loving honestly and with integrity – I also get to watch as he learns all of those items as well.  I’m also thankful that I get to enjoy watching his growth, all the while experiencing my own personal growth.

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The purpose of the meme is to get to know everyone who participates a little bit better every Thursday. Visiting fellow Thirteeners is encouraged! If you participate, leave the link to your Thirteen in others comments. It’s easy, and fun! Trackbacks, pings, comment links accepted!

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Today’s Quote, #1

Posted by mmkeekah on August 4, 2009

Today’s Quote:

Today’s Quote:  “Polyamory scares people—it shakes up their world view.”

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Fight the Good Fight

Posted by mmkeekah on July 28, 2009

In my last blog about polyamory, I spoke about how I was going to spend less time worrying if I was poly, worrying if my relationship fit the definition of poly and spend more time living and enjoying my life – which I am doing. But I still believe in the concept of polyamory. I spend a considerable amount of my online time supporting the online polyamorous community. I attend the polyamory functions that occur here in Denver, and I also still actively speak about poly to anyone who will listen really.

I also started spending more time in the swinging community – not as you would think (wink). But actually attending local meet and greets to get to know the people in “the lifestyle” as they like to call it. There are quite a few swinging groups in Colorado and most are active with parties at local clubs, bars, hotels and even at people’s homes. In particular, there is a local group where the women in “the lifestyle” get together monthly for a wine party – and their men attend a local men’s “support group” at the same time. The central theme to these parties isn’t to have sex, it’s to meet like minded folk who view sexuality and relationships differently than mainstream society.

What strikes me about these two groups is not just the similarity in their views on sex and relationship and how different it is from the “straight world,” but also how much they truly do not support each other in the alternative lifestyles they’ve chosen to live. When I’m in my polyamorists world, I spend a lot of time listening to the ways how poly is NOT like swinging. Some polyamorists will go, it seems to me, to any extent to proclaim how poly isn’t like swinging. They will even go so far as to talk about how many ways polyamory is so much better than swinging.

Then, I spend some time in the swinging world and listen to the other side disclaim polyamorists. While I’ve just gotten into talking to swingers about polyamory, most of what I hear is that dreaded “jealousy” word and how much folks who swing aren’t really into long term sharing. I’ve yet to hear anyone in the swinging world claim that their way is better than the poly way (the reserve that disdain for the straight world, sharing that view with the polyamorists). However, the sentiments surrounding sharing are a close second to that vein of thought in my book.

I guess it surprises me that either alternative lifestyle wouldn’t support the other given the fact that they are both alternative lifestyles. Both groups of folk seem to be seeking social and cultural acceptance from a society that holds marriage and monogamy as more important that individual wants and needs. It would seem to me that a united front would be a better way towards that goal than to hold each other with so little respect.

I shouldn’t be surprised though. I saw this in my life when I came out as bisexual back in the late 90’s. I experienced this from lesbian women who felt I was either pretending I still liked men because I couldn’t face wanting only women or who felt I was playing with lesbian’s minds because – in their eyes – I was either gay or straight. But I couldn’t be both. I saw this from gay men, whom I love and adore, who believe all men were gay and just pretending at being straight because of delusions or an inability to face who they were.

I don’t pretend to understand the human psyche and the need to prove one group better or more right than the other. It isn’t just a straight trait though. I feel and my experiences prove that this need is prevalent in all groups, in everyone – heck even in me at times (though my trait is a tendency to want to be right over anyone, which leads me to argue all sides of any argument – even to switch arguments in mid-stride if I feel I’m winning someone over to my side, go figure). I guess its ingrained in us to be the best, at any cost.

It’s sad though, that neither group can see that everyone loses in this situation.

I’ve spent a lot of time arguing (imagine that) with folks in the polyamory world about this “we’re better than swingers” mentality. I’ve talked about how, to me, polyamory and swinging have a lot in common – not necessarily in how they behave in relationships or how they love in relationships, or how they have sex in relationships – but in how we all are trying to live autonomously with integrity in ourselves and respect for our love partners. To me, that’s the central theme in both lifestyles. The path they each take to get there is different and yet their destination is eerily similar. I talk a good talk, but I rarely get anyone to listen. It’s too important to some folk that they not be viewed as polyamorists (or not be viewed as swingers) than to take a step back and honor the similarities instead of focusing on (and over-magnifying) the differences. Perhaps if we did so, we’d find a common ground to meet on and demonstrate how groups overcome silly, petty arguments.

Still I suppose I’ll keep trying. Just like I do on this blog with the straight world – I try to demonstrate that non-monogamists are not sex-crazed folks who refuse to grow up and take responsibility or refuse to form commitments. I try to show that, while polyamory is hard, it is possible and it is a viable alternative to the traditional views on relationships. Some would argue that traditional relationships don’t work any better than the alternative lifestyles; some might even say they fair worse. But that argument is not one I’m taking up here, and it’s not one I necessarily support.

Sometimes having the ability to see all sides and argue all sides isn’t all its cracked up to be. Sometimes it’s tiring. But I will keep fighting the good fight, even if it sometimes seems I do it only for the fact that I enjoy the debate.

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A Poly Question Answered… a little late

Posted by mmkeekah on June 20, 2009

A few weeks back, The Beautiful Kind asked me a question in response to my post about my break-up with N. I started to respond immediately, but then realized I was lacking the appropriate time and distance from my situation in order to respond as A Mon-Mon would respond.

TBK said:

I’m cleaning house this week on my blog and just went through and purged the Triad stories from my site. Made me think of you. Do you think the best model for poly is to have a primary partner, and date secondaries as they come, enjoying the time you have with them, but not expecting to form long term romantic relationships with them? That seems to be the style that works best for me. To me, poly is having the ability to to add romance or sex to the list of things you can do with your friends.

My gut reaction was to agree with TBK because J and I have found a way to be comfortable and secure in ourselves and each other, a way to work through the discomforts that sometimes come from an open relationship without letting it almost destroy what we have like we did when we dated K. But we can’t seem to make it work with outside people. The very thing that we took so long to build, this solid relationship, seems to be the one thing that feels threatening to those we are interested in. Still fresh from the breakup with N, which started out well but turned bitter and ugly quickly, well yeah I wanted to say, “Yes! I prefer the primary model and want only to date secondaries, knowing that those people will not be permanent fixtures in my life.”

But then I remembered that I don’t care for the terms primary and secondary when they are applied to real life people. It makes those people seem less important, almost throwaways without any rights. I just can’t sign off on that… especially when we both have other people in our lives who are really good friends and some of those are even lovers. People who might be viewed as secondary because they aren’t part of my primary relationship with J, who occupy the background for a variety of reasons but are hardly secondary to either of us. If they feel secondary, well that would suck as both J and I try so very hard not to put anyone in that spot. Yet neither of us has control of how people perceive what we offer, what we give and how we choose to look at love.

It is true that J and I are in fact primaries because we chose to share our lives together, our domicile is together and our money is pooled. We get along enough to occupy the same space and still strive to give each other the respect and autonomy each needs without losing the jointness of our lives. He’s a little bit better at that than me, but every year I grow a little more and appreciate the lessons this relationship teaches me.

It makes me sad to think that my relationship with J could be threatening to potential love interests – threatening for the very reason that J and I love each other so much. Apparently it is evident how much I adore the man and how much he returns that love by the look in his eyes. I feign annoyance but I guess people see right through me to the fact that I love Jeffery Zander very much.

What people fail to see is how much I would love to share my love for J with a special someone who can look past their own personal insecurities and focus instead on the faith I’ve found in our love. Maybe someday… but if not, well I will treasure what I have.

I got off track a little. But maybe not. Because for me polyamory is about sharing love. It’s about the ability to get past those insecurities that demand we be primary to our lovers, forsaking all others even when love might join more than two hearts. I don’t know if I will ever have a true polyamorous relationship and I don’t really care anymore. I just want to live life and enjoy what it sends my way. And if that means its just J and me, well then so be it. But I couldn’t ever subscribe personally to the primary/secondary model, though I respect that it works for some… like TBK a beautifully wild and sexy woman who’s found a Beast to honor her Goddess as she deserves.

I hope that answers your question, TBK, and I thank you for asking…

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Sometimes We Run, Part II

Posted by mmkeekah on December 29, 2008

About a week after ending our triad, my gf let me know that I was being somewhat distant in my dealings with her. It wasn’t intentional – I tend to go inward when I’m dealing with a problem or struggling with how to deal with someone. It is a little off-putting when most of the time I’m the happy, go lucky, have fun, let’s love everyone kind of gal you usually know.

Still, I didn’t mean to close her out. I was just trying to deal with all these emotions I couldn’t really explain. I knew N wanted to keep things the way they were amongst the three of us, but I kept thinking, “she doesn’t want the triad,” which was a big way that the three of us all were. I was having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that she was still my girlfriend even though she broke up with me. But not really.

It was very confusing, and I guess for her too. We had many conversations about what led to her wanting to end the triad. And unfortunately none of them made her stance any clearer, especially when she shared that she’d been crying pretty much the whole time since the break-up. So we talked about what she needed, and she decided she needed some time to think things through.

A few days later, we all got together so she could talk to J and me. And she said she realized she was just running away because she was scared. Scared the relationship would work… scared she might fall in love… scared she might want to be a part of something. But when she thought it all through, she knew what she needed to do was give it a try. Try to work through the hard times instead of running at the first sign of hard work.

So we are still together. The triad is once again on. We spent a marvelous Christmas together and look forward to ringing in the New Year with each other.

Who knows? Maybe it will work out after all….

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Paving the Way

Posted by mmkeekah on December 19, 2008

I was talking to my cousin on email about the demise of yet another triad and he said to me, “It seems you and J keep dating people who aren’t familiar with polyamory and maybe you should consider keeping to people who are more experienced with poly.”  There may be some truth to that but there are also these truths 1)even poly people have a hard time with poly, 2) the heart doesn’t work that way, and 3) there are a lot more “straight” folks out there than poly folk.

I don’t go out there looking for straight folk – especially not straight women – and yet I can’t help who I’m drawn towards or who returns my interest.  In fact, it is very rare for me to be drawn towards just anyone.  Even J, while finding many woman here in Denver attractive and funny, isn’t one to just fall in love with everyone. 

It is even true that neither one of us was looking for anyone in particular when we met N.  We just happened to both meet this funny, quirky, sexy lady camping this summer.  And they had a definite “spark” going on between them, and I wasn’t threatened by it.  I actually found her charming and attractive – and lo and behold she was intrigued by what she saw between Jeff and  me and wondered if maybe she could be a part of it too.

It is so rare to find not only a physical connection but also a deeper connection that could lead to an emotional bond that will grow into a long term relationship with one person, let alone two people.  So if it does happen, do you let it pass because one person isn’t familiar with a new relationship dynamic?

I certainly can see an argument for avoidance given the fact that my first triad bombed so tragically and horribly.  And central to its demise was the fact one person in the triad tried something completely new to her and couldn’t get passed her monogamous upbringing and open her heart to the possibilities polyamory offers.  She couldn’t even try honesty with herself, much less honesty with her partners, in order to be in a triad relationship.  And poly talks a lot of self-honesty in order to maneuver the bumps open and honest relationships sometimes cause.

I can’t control who I’m attracted to but I can control who I pursue.  Believe me, more than once I’ve stated out loud, “I’m done with ’straight’ women who think they are attracted to girls – never mind what Katie Perry says” and “I’m only dating poly people.”  But in the end, the spark ignited, I followed my heart, and I found myself falling for just the type of girl I was trying to avoid.

What’s that road to hell paved with?  Oh yeah, good intentions.  Well, I guess I can take comfort in the fact I’ve remained true to my initial promise to myself. I’ve kept my heart open, I’ve let it lead me where it will, and hopefully my reward is the fact that I’ve been open and honest with myself and others. 

But thanks, Kiko, for worrying about me.  It’s always good to know I’m loved.

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A Mon-Mon’s Perspective on Triads

Posted by mmkeekah on December 12, 2008

It just figures when I finally get around to posting about the status of my triad, when I dedicate a whole week to triad relationships, my triad breaks up.  I’m not sure that’s exactly irony defined but I certainly can see the incongruity of this even through the sadness.  Yet, the very things I was going to discuss about polyamory and triad relationships in this post carry significance over why this triad relationship didn’t work out for me and even why the last triad relationship didn’t work either.

What I want to talk about regarding triad relationships is about their dynamic from the perspective of a being in an established couple and adding a third person to the relationship.  Earlier this week I gave you the female and male perspectives of folks joining an established couple.  Heidel shared with you the struggles her little pride went through as she joined not only a married couple but her two closest friends.  And Kevin shared with you how his triad works as he joined his couple.  I think its important to note the use of the word couple in this last paragraph because it has a very important dynamic in a triad.

The biggest hurdle a triad relationship faces is the  “existing couple” dynamic.  The idea here is the existing couple in the triad has had more time to develop a relationship that precluded the “thirds” involvement and thus there is a “catching up” that must happen in order for all three members to be on equal footing.  The time frame doesn’t seem to matter either; it could be three months the existing couple is together or 30 years – still this seems to promote a problem within the triad.

In my experience, I know I struggled with this dynamic issue in my first triad.  When my insecurities and doubts about my ex-girlfriend’s romantic feelings towards me specifically were prevalent, I worried she was trying to steal J from me.  When J was caught up in NRE with K and would lose patience with my fears and insecurities, I worried about losing him.  And what I wanted most to do was save what I had before with J – our coupleness.

From the other side of the house (that “third” side), there was insecurities and feelings of envy over the fact J and I have an established relationship prior to their involvement.  It was like the proverbial elephant in the room the third didn’t want to admit.  But if anything came up that brought focus to the prior involvement and made the third feel, well like an actual third, then that damn elephant came stomping out, rearing its ugly head.  From what I can gather, the issue is feeling like the third wheel,  or less of a partner or less equal.  Thus there was feelings of having this major catching up to do.  In a dyadic relationship, the catching up is done equally by both partners (or at  least that is the presumption being made here.)  But when you have three partners, and two have a prior relationship of any length, then the third feels like they need to be where the other two are it in order to be considered equal.

The fallacy here is that it is in very rare moments that there will ever be true equalness in any part of the relationship – even in a dyad.  Because rarely do we feel the same about our partner all the time at any given point.  So if you add a third person, the chances of synching up and everyone feeling honkey dory about everyone is pretty slim.  Which is why those rare moments are so precious.  But to bank your whole relationship on synching up is crazy, well in my book anyway.

Then add into it society and monogamy and what we are all taught and bam! it complicates things further.  Because the world at large believes in and supports only man and woman dyad relationships and specifically marriage between a man and a woman.  So now you are facing issues within the triad because of this “existing couple” mentality and no one to offer you support in how to deal with those emotions.  If you ask for help from your family, your church, your friends – what you will hear is you deserve better, you  deserve all the love of one person, you are being cheated.  No matter what side of the “existing couple” mentality you are on, that’s what you will hear.  Along with a lot of “I could never do that myself.”

I’m not saying this specifically is what caused the breakup of both of my triads – we certainly had other personal fights to fight in order to be in a triad relationship.  In the end, my current gf isn’t sure polyamory or a triad relationship is really what she wants for herself.  I have to respect that even if I don’t agree.  The promising note of this break up is we are still talking and even still somewhat dating.   My gf doesn’t want to break up with me or with J.  She just doesn’t want to be in a triad.  I’m struggling to understand how this will work, to understand if I can be different with her after having experienced 5 1/2 wonderful months of being in a triad with her and J.  I have some mourning to do, then I have some growing to do.  But I know I don’t want to lose this amazing woman from my life.

Just the fact that she had the strength to be honest with me, despite being worried of upsetting me, despite what she had learned in other monogamous relationships about hiding her true feelings, despite knowing it would hurt – well it takes my breath away.  And proves to me what she doesn’t know about herself – she has a kind, loving soul filled with integrity and love.  Maybe we aren’t a triad.  But we are all very good friends and lovers.

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Kevin’s Poly Story

Posted by mmkeekah on December 10, 2008

My next guest blogger for Polyamory Week is Kevin, who is in a MMF Vee triad (keekah-note: A Vee configuration in polyamory is when one person (known as the hinge) has relationships with two different people who are not romantically involved with each other (known as the legs.) The legs may or may not have a friendly relationship with each other.)

Kevin’s Story

Hello all… my name is Kevin. I’m in an MFM triad-vee poly-fi relationship with snowbunny and brother-husband. She is the “hinge” of the “Vee;” he and I are the “legs” of the “Vee.”

They were married in 1995.
I met them in 1995.
We became good friends in 1995.
We became a triad in 2006.

I worked closely with snowbunny in a professional capacity in 2004 and 2005. She and I exchanged many increasingly long, personal emails. We eventually confessed feelings we’d had for each other for ten years. We’d never dared to confess that to each other before, nor even to ourselves, because we were monogamous.

We actually researched and discovered polyamory as a solution to our dilemma. She didn’t want to leave brother-husband, and I didn’t want her too either. I also didn’t want to give up on my romantic feelings for her, and she didn’t want to give up on hers for me either.

Brother-husband wanted the romantic relationships to be preserved. Polyamory was, for us, a middle ground that allowed us all three to stay together.

We’ve had much rough ground to traverse and crises in which the three of us almost split up. However, I think we have weathered those crises. The three of us have a very positive relationship with each other today.

Brother-husband and I are good friends. We get together once a week, just the two of us, to watch movies together and whatnot. We’re both straight, so the friendship is conventional and platonic.

Brother-husband lives in a townhouse. I live in a condo, just minutes away, by bike or by car. Our lady, snowbunny, lives at both homes in turn; about half of her days with him and the remaining days with me.

All three of us get together for dinner, conversation, movies, and what have you, about twice a week. Currently our big thing is watching Battlestar Galactica together. We’ve just this year been introduced to the series; we’re thoroughly hooked.

All three of us are very plain vanilla. If you saw us on the street, you’d never guess there was anything unusual about us. Our clothes are ordinary. Our hairstyles are conservative and non-colored. Neither guy has any tattoos, nor piercings. She has one small decorative tattoo on her ankle, and she had two piercings on each ear but one each of those has “sealed up.” Sometimes she wears small silver-bead pierced earrings.

All three of us are pretty conservative for being poly. Our biggest rebellions are our Democrat leanings, her non-organized-religious leanings, and my agnostic leanings.

We’re committed to limiting our sexual relationships to us three — which amounts to him and her,and to me and her. We’re also committed to sticking with each other for life.

We don’t rule out the possibility of adding a fourth (perhaps even fifth?) person to our three-person circle. We’re not actively looking though; we’re happy with what we have. If we did bring in a new person, we’d all have to be 100% comfortable about it, and the new person would be bound by the same commitments (as just described).

For more info on the definition and nature of polyfidelity in general:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyfidelity

If someone was to ask me to sum up the two man-woman relationships in our triad:
I’d call brother-husband and snowbunny peaceful. I’d call snowbunny and me passionate.
From those two words you perhaps get a glimpse of the pros and cons in each relationship.

And that’s why snowbunny has two guys in her life. Because brother-husband and I each contribute something that is good and unique.

As to the guys’ perspective in all this … We think it’s the closest brotherhood two men can share, when they care so much about one another that they’re willing to share the woman they love. To us the whole thing is a very cool way to live.

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